Minister Ciaran Cuffe on Ghost Estates

Minister Ciaran Cuffe

October 29th Friday at 4.30 pm GMT.


The discussion will be held by Minister Ciaran Cuffe.

Some of the chat here:

Ryano >> (All): Will this be available for playback afterwards?

Ryano >> (All): Audio great, no mic at this end though!>> (All): This meeting is now being recorded.

joe >> (All): ff you can use this chat function

ff >> (All): what would jim corr say!

Ossian >> (All): When do you expect site resolution plans to be published?

Ossian >> (All): Do you get the feeling that NAMA is overccome with work and slow to respond? I know one person who owns a NAMA’s property and can’t get a response from them when offering to buy the property.

Simon >> (All): • Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government• Construction Industry Federation / Irish Home Builders Association• City and County Managers Association• National Asset Management Agency• Irish Banking Federation• Health and Safety Authority• Irish Council for Social Housing• Royal Institute of Architects of Ireland• Irish Planning Institute• Society of Chartered Surveyors• Institute of Engineers of Ireland

Minister Ciaran Cuffe >> (All): An 80% windfall tax on “up-zoned” land which forms part of the NAMA legislation, dramatically reduces the incentive from land-owners to seek the rezoning of their land. This is as close as we’ve been able to get to the implementation of the 1973 Kenny Report without a constitutional referendum.

Ossian >> (All): What is the chance of a site valuation tax in the next budget: is the national property price register any closer?

Bobby Conroy >> (All): To what extent is energy performance of houses as built and appropriateness for potential upgrade being considered when  deciding whether or not to complete unfinished developments

Matt >> (All): ——————————————————————————–Two important considerations – * the quantity of houses built seemed to imagine that Ireland was going to continue to grow economically and therefore in population also. Three hundred & seventy thousand-odd homes was I think the figure of empty homes stated to be in existence five or six months ago (though, strangely enough, a far lower figure was given in the last few weeks).(that doesn’t take into account residentially-zoned land, of course; most of which should be de-zoned now.)But our good friends in govt. seemed to be operating under an ‘if you build it, they will come’-philosophy, both in terms of residency and industry to provide jobs for the growing population.The greater part of this planned-growth will have to be abandoned, as it cannot be supported.(as for some of the homes being used for social-housing, it appears that something like this is happening. I recently received some literature from the Labour Party stating that South Dublin Co. Co. were buying affordable homes that failed to sell and using them as social housing units. But the leaflet said that while Labour supported the principle, they suspected that it was being twisted to the advantage of private bodies/individuals, rather than serving those on the existing housing lists; ie; a bailout for certain developers/investors. Very vague, but I’d predicted that something like that might happen myself a couple of years back.)* Houses that reach a finished state; ie; roofed, ‘windowed’ and finished internally are more of a liabilty than cases where just the foundations & walls are in existence; but both, if unlived-in, very quickly become compromised even to the extent of their structural integrity.Modern housing is for the most part very poorly built and if left empty for any length of time will come undone. It is completely dependent on internal heating – even in the summer it needs the body-heat of it’s inhabitants to some extent.Once damp sets in, & unless remedial action is taken, it’s terminal decline is imminent. If the interior is subjected to the same cold as outside, the walls will eventually crack (old damp cottages of the past are actually far more resilient in this regard as the walls are so thick that the inside-temperature is relatively constant). Insulation is of limited help if the inside of the building isn’t itslef heated in some way – as the seasonal drop in temperatures gets worse, the inside will slowly lose the heat it (equally slowly) accumulated through the summer, and daytime sun won’t last long enough to counteract the cold air that has taken hold inside the building.I’m not sure of the time scale we’re talking about (if there is online information on it, Ireland won’t actually be the worst example of derelict-structure decline due to our small annual temperature-range), but I was told that a building vacant for a year would need attention, and if vacant for two or more years demolition is sometimes the only option.If anyone is thinking of snapping up a bargain ( which won’t in fact be the case ’til 3 bed-semis fall way under 200 k, and flats are in the 40 – 80 k range, dependent on area ), have some unaffiliated, expert surveyal done.There is actually an onus on all the local authoriteis to ensure that properties under construction are finished, that they are not left idle and that they are kept in a good state of repair. They have the power to take possession of them if these conditions are not met by the ownersI think most of these obligations have been ignored by our Councils; a reluctance over the costs they would incur as much as a reluctance to aggravate insolvent developers, I guess.I know of one apartment complex that has safety issues that have been overlooked (fire-escape, elevator issue, I think; but not certain).The fact is, that if something were to happen, in this or a case resulting from he issues noted above, the inhabitants may meet with Insurance pay-out problems – and the developers are bust, and so is the govt.

cass flower >> (All): In the early 2000s, there was a serious problem of shortage of serviced zoned land. There is still a deficit in sewerage treatment.  When are we going to get proper investment in infrastructure?

Matt >> (All): Thanks for your replies

cass flower >> (All): It is a matter of fact, There was a funding scheme to try to release this land – the origin of the boom was in the high prices generated by undersupply in the early 2000s

Simon >> (All): Thanks Ciarán Got to run now

cass flower >> (All): Also by population increase

cass flower >> (All): The tax incentives were a disaster !

Ryano >> (All): Whatever about early 2000s there is now enough serviced zoned land in most counties to cater for expected population increases for 20-70 years!

cass flower >> (All): No – the increase was predictable – natural increase from the baby boom

cass flower >> (All): You are only talking about the last couple of years

cass flower >> (All): There was undersupply of public housing in the 1990s – there was an accumulated demand.

cass flower >> (All): Why not CPO zoned land and develop it as its needed ?

cass flower >> (All): Are you going to carry on with developer led development then ?Ryano >> (All): Not developer-led: plan-led.

cass flower >> (All): If land can be CPOd for sewerage, why not for housing?

Bobby Conroy >> (All): is the constituency of the expert group already decided

joe >> (All): move mic down a little

denis madden >> (All): THANKS CIARAN Archie >> (All): happy friday all, bye

joe >> (All): thanks to everyone

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